船子德誠 Chuanzi Decheng (820-858)
[華亭船子德诚 Huating Chuanzi Decheng]
http://terebess.hu/zen/boatmonk.html
[華亭船子德诚 Huating Chuanzi Decheng]
http://terebess.hu/zen/boatmonk.html
painted by 狩野如川周信绘 Kanō Josen Chikanobu (1660-1728),
eldest son of Tsunenobu of the Kobiki-chō branch of the Kanō school,
succeeded his father as third head of the school in 1713,
and in 1719 was awarded the highest court title, hōgen ('Eye of the Law').
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http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_57e43b670102viec.html
Picture shows Monk Jiashan being hit into the water 3 times by Zen Master Decheng or Boat Monk.
唐代的夹山和尚是一位有名的大法师，他佛法好，学问好，讲经说法，听众极多，名气大得很。
有一次讲经时，有人问：“何为法身？何为法眼？”
他答：“法身无相，法眼无暇”，这从教下讲是圆满的，可是台下有个道吾和尚却噗哧一笑，夹山和尚知道事出有因，便下坐虚心请教，
他答：“法身无相，法眼无暇”，这从教下讲是圆满的，可是台下有个道吾和尚却噗哧一笑，夹山和尚知道事出有因，便下坐虚心请教，
道吾禅师告诉他 “你说的错倒没错，只是没有亲自证得，没有亲身体验过佛法的妙味，别人也不能通过你的说教证得佛法，体验佛法的妙味，你说的这些都不是当下能成佛的法，而想得到当下能成佛的法必须有师承”。
夹山和尚还想继续求教，道吾禅师没有直截回复，却把他转介给船子禅师。
夹山和尚还想继续求教，道吾禅师没有直截回复，却把他转介给船子禅师。
夹山和尚到船子禅师处一见面，船子禅师连问夹山和尚几个问题，结果夹山和尚都依教理圆满地回答了。
没想到船子禅师却把脸一沉，呵斥道：
“一句合头语，万劫系驴橛”。
合头语就是圆满的答案，因为这些都是文字知解上的东西，心上未能悟到，不能契入大般若境界，这些知解上的东西，都是意识的境界，在实际禅修时全都用不上。
船子禅师又说：“垂丝千尺，意在深潭、离钓三寸，子何不道”
是说象钓鱼一样放那么长的线下去，现在就差那么一点点了，也就是说，你下了那么多功夫，你想悟道，你想成佛，现在悟道，成佛的准备工作已经做得差不多了，你怎么不跟我说说当下怎么悟道，当下怎么成佛呢？
夹山和尚是有名的大法师，三藏十二部，唯识，中观，真如，般若什么都会，样样讲得通，正想给船子禅师高谈阔论一番，刚要开口，却被船子禅师一船杆打入水中，人一入水要被呛水，还要憋气，好危急，头刚一冒上来，
夹山和尚是有名的大法师，三藏十二部，唯识，中观，真如，般若什么都会，样样讲得通，正想给船子禅师高谈阔论一番，刚要开口，却被船子禅师一船杆打入水中，人一入水要被呛水，还要憋气，好危急，头刚一冒上来，
船子和尚就催他“快说！快说！”
气都喘不上来，人还在水里，夹山和尚却还想发表演说，就又被船子禅师用船杆按入水中，又刚冒出水面，
船子禅师又逼他“快说！快说！”
刚要开口却又被按入水中，如是三番，夹山和尚豁然大悟，乃向船子禅师点了三下头。
你想，人被按入水中，时刻有生命之忧，呛水之难，气都上不来，哪还有心思讲经说法，这时满腑经纶，无量才艺，早到九霄云外了，精神高度警觉，大脑空空，什么妄念都没有了，当下契入[明空双运境界]。
[Being pressed into water, a moment that threatens one's life, one has no time or leisure to drag out any sutra or theories at all.
At this moment, this person is in High alert, mind empty, void of unwholesome thoughts, immediately cut into realm of [Realisation & Void combined execution]
船子禅师就是用这个方法硬是让夹山和尚开悟。
Boat monk used this method to force Monk Jiashan to realisation or enlightenment.
Boat monk used this method to force Monk Jiashan to realisation or enlightenment.
然后告诉夹山和尚：
“我在药山禅师那里参学三十年，只是搞清楚了什么是本来面目，你现在已经得到了，以后你不要再住在城市人多的地方，要到深山里人烟稀少的地方去保任这个境界”。
夹山和尚告别师父，边走边回头，一是舍不得离开师父，
夹山和尚告别师父，边走边回头，一是舍不得离开师父，
二是心中想，难道佛法就这么简单吗！
Jiashan took his leave, ans as he walks he has thoughts,
firstly- a reluctance to leave his teacher;
secondly - doubting that Buddha Dharma is so simple!
我多年的世间学问，三藏十二部的佛法……众生贪嗔痴慢“疑”-Doubt 嘛！
夹山对此有些怀疑。。。。。。
船子禅师看明白了夹山的心思，大喊一声，夹山回头一看，船子禅师竖起船杆说：Boat monk upon seeing Jiashan's thoughts, gave a shout, and Jiashan turned around, Boat monk lifted the oar & said:
船子禅师看明白了夹山的心思，大喊一声，夹山回头一看，船子禅师竖起船杆说：Boat monk upon seeing Jiashan's thoughts, gave a shout, and Jiashan turned around, Boat monk lifted the oar & said:
“汝将谓别有”是告诉夹山 “你不要认为另外还有成佛的法！”
You think there are other ways of realisation!
于是就把船弄翻，自己淹死了。
Boat monk overturn the boat and drowned himself.
夹山和尚这回就死心塌地，头也不回地走了。
This made Jiashan gave up and walked away.
为坚定弟子的信心，命都不要了。
To firm up student's faith, life also don't want!
这就是一代祖师的风范，这就是为法捐躯 - Donating one's Life for Dharma 。
憨山大师对此曾有拈提说
“假如夹山那时还停留在文字知解上，船子如何为他舍得命来”。
可见“顿悟”、“见性”重要，对“顿悟”、“见性”的见解有坚定的信心，即“定解”更重要。
可见“顿悟”、“见性”重要，对“顿悟”、“见性”的见解有坚定的信心，即“定解”更重要。
此后，夹山和尚独自在山中闭关十多年，长养圣胎，刻苦修行，然后才出来弘法。
Chat:
A: know n understand are differentunderstand then can use
Sep 11, 4:34 PM
B: use is Ren yun
yes, makes sense and true
A: my promise to GM is to teach USE
B: yes, to be able to use is to rid oneself from being hypocritical, which sadly is happening everywhere
A: Born to be king!
Hehe! I do wonder how many really read my meaning
Wed, 7:10 PM
yes, and the accumulation of the cultivation from previous lives too
one of the meaningful part is what the buddha said of reigning above and below the sky
Ya. king of the universe!
B: inclusiveness
A: the answers from the new fashi are real shockingly lacking in dharma keys
B: the last one
A: the one that said her heart with GM is real scary
B: if i were the fashi i wouldn't said that either
A: Nah! all of them
B: the first one was too
because the buddha asked him to do so
that's why gm said: so it wasn't your decision?
A: yoga means merging n not giving over to someone else!
B: yes
but i was thinking you know, at least there should be something that differs one from being a lay and 出家
at least the 出家 has come to understand that the world is full of transient phenomena and finally decided to cultivate seriously
A: Not true!
B: although eventually there is no difference between lay or 出家
A: cultivate don't need to be monk lol
B: yes
but the question is why do you 出家?
A: It's what I always talked about from the start: mindset
B: oh now that makes sense :)
A: to dedicate solely in cultivation to succor self and all!
B: yes, was thinking of that too
because of the inclusiveness
A: Not to learn how to chant sutra or sing repentance or play the instruments ....
B: hahahaha omg
A: some pride themselves in accomplishments of being able to do repentance events!
B: i concur
sidetracking too far
A: GM cracked a joke about the 3 fairies statues that are BENT like jiu-ru fashi! he has a hunch back n mean to us trainees!
B: oh so that's what he meant? it wasn't available in the english cast
A: if ask me, I would say Time to return to the team n do my share
B: very acceptable
because you have your own say
A: It's the dream that I had one year after refuge lol
we all have our assigned duties lol
Wed, 7:10 PM
yes, and the accumulation of the cultivation from previous lives too
one of the meaningful part is what the buddha said of reigning above and below the sky
Ya. king of the universe!
B: inclusiveness
A: the answers from the new fashi are real shockingly lacking in dharma keys
B: the last one
A: the one that said her heart with GM is real scary
B: if i were the fashi i wouldn't said that either
A: Nah! all of them
B: the first one was too
because the buddha asked him to do so
that's why gm said: so it wasn't your decision?
A: yoga means merging n not giving over to someone else!
B: yes
but i was thinking you know, at least there should be something that differs one from being a lay and 出家
at least the 出家 has come to understand that the world is full of transient phenomena and finally decided to cultivate seriously
A: Not true!
B: although eventually there is no difference between lay or 出家
A: cultivate don't need to be monk lol
B: yes
but the question is why do you 出家?
A: It's what I always talked about from the start: mindset
B: oh now that makes sense :)
A: to dedicate solely in cultivation to succor self and all!
B: yes, was thinking of that too
because of the inclusiveness
A: Not to learn how to chant sutra or sing repentance or play the instruments ....
B: hahahaha omg
A: some pride themselves in accomplishments of being able to do repentance events!
B: i concur
sidetracking too far
A: GM cracked a joke about the 3 fairies statues that are BENT like jiu-ru fashi! he has a hunch back n mean to us trainees!
B: oh so that's what he meant? it wasn't available in the english cast
A: if ask me, I would say Time to return to the team n do my share
B: very acceptable
because you have your own say
A: It's the dream that I had one year after refuge lol
we all have our assigned duties lol
like born to be king!
we take up our rank n duties only
B: yes, true
when being pondered deeper it's true
A: why I don't need the VM TITLE?
B: nahhhhh
how come it's a coincidence too
A: U notice ksiti has dharma king crown while the other has the 5 Buddha crown?
B: i read this yesterday:http://www.meditationexpert.com/zen-buddhism-tao/z_boat-monk_teh-cheng.htm
yes, ksiti with the dharma king crown
differs from the the one with the eyewear
A: ksiti has higher attainment of buddhahood
B: yes
i'm almost afraid of falling into being chia-shan
and you're really like monk teh-cheng hahaha
A: hahaha! You have lots of materials which you don't fully understand n what more how to use
B: that's why i need to practise more
instead of speaking of theories
A: My promise to GM of teaching USE, is a real easy task, as not many will come and learn from me.
B: yes, true
when being pondered deeper it's true
A: why I don't need the VM TITLE?
B: nahhhhh
how come it's a coincidence too
A: U notice ksiti has dharma king crown while the other has the 5 Buddha crown?
B: i read this yesterday:http://www.meditationexpert.com/zen-buddhism-tao/z_boat-monk_teh-cheng.htm
yes, ksiti with the dharma king crown
differs from the the one with the eyewear
A: ksiti has higher attainment of buddhahood
B: yes
i'm almost afraid of falling into being chia-shan
and you're really like monk teh-cheng hahaha
A: hahaha! You have lots of materials which you don't fully understand n what more how to use
B: that's why i need to practise more
instead of speaking of theories
A: My promise to GM of teaching USE, is a real easy task, as not many will come and learn from me.
Reason: they don't know that they need to learn to USE dharma!
B: hmmm makes sense
this is why superficiality is scary
and i don't want to fall into this group
A: ya lol. like i said that the english translations of most sutras are not good!
most don't have tantric experiences like yoga
B: yes because to translate buddha dharma requires experience of the dharma itself
otherwise it's just a mere literal translation without the taste
A: this story is a very good one! most are like this chia san when they can rattle off dharma from sutras n books
B: yes hor
A: like the milarepa guy that quote terma
B: that's why
what you said several days ago really hit me you know
A: has anyone open the door of flower adornment sutra like me n invite you to walk in?
B: to know and to understand are different
B: hmmm makes sense
this is why superficiality is scary
and i don't want to fall into this group
A: ya lol. like i said that the english translations of most sutras are not good!
most don't have tantric experiences like yoga
B: yes because to translate buddha dharma requires experience of the dharma itself
otherwise it's just a mere literal translation without the taste
A: this story is a very good one! most are like this chia san when they can rattle off dharma from sutras n books
B: yes hor
A: like the milarepa guy that quote terma
B: that's why
what you said several days ago really hit me you know
A: has anyone open the door of flower adornment sutra like me n invite you to walk in?
B: to know and to understand are different
A: to understand is to apply and therefore ren yun
how does one walks into a sutra?
how does one walks into a sutra?
hehe! so I must be crazy!
I am evil and make people angry by showing them I am more superior!
I am evil and make people angry by showing them I am more superior!
Hehe!
my way is to push people to draw level with me lol
B: as you said, different mindset
if you were selfish for you, you'd die very fast
but not many can understand the meaning behind
A: hahaha! less ppl around me or chasing me the better!
that lli and the xtz likes to use bombastic words that they cant explain too!
B:good example, yes
A: lets share this article in our blog
you go put it up with some nice pictures
my way is to push people to draw level with me lol
B: as you said, different mindset
if you were selfish for you, you'd die very fast
but not many can understand the meaning behind
A: hahaha! less ppl around me or chasing me the better!
that lli and the xtz likes to use bombastic words that they cant explain too!
B:good example, yes
A: lets share this article in our blog
you go put it up with some nice pictures
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Dear all, having or memorising lots of sutras and theories like Jiashan, you can't reach enlightenment of full realisation!
Remember GM Lu said that Enlightened in Theory, STILL NEED to have Practical Cultivation of what you realised! :)
Hahaha!
USE! - the most important key, agree?
Want to learn from me? :)
Lets see whether you have the relevant affinity or not!
Cheers all
Om Guru Lian Sheng Siddhi Hom
Lama Lotuschef
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