Book 231 / Chapter 047: 阿底峡尊者的怀念 [Remisicing upon Arya Atisha]
事师 - to serve one's guru
弑 shì 封建时代称臣杀君、子杀父母：弑君。弑父
弑师 - to kill one's guru
Hahaha! In Mandarin, both 事 & 弑 has the some sound, BUT their meaning can be the exact opposite!
CHAT:
: so they use some part of it to glorify themselves lol
lotuschef: hahaha! Caregivers??? do they qualify as caregivers? are they sincere n do not expect any returns? when talking about more meritorious than others, they already all wrong
: Comparison is no longer sincere n also gives rise to disputes. not buddha dharma liao
and when was 231 published?
same as KK that thinks in terms of levels of merits
AA: 2012. yep
lotuschef: that article is sep 22 that year
: having more merits than others so no need to cultivate also can? Hehe
AA: no wonder. It's from chapter 47
lotuschef: and when they say no leisure to cultivate, they revealed that they have yet to understand what is CULTIVATION
lotuschef: copy n paste for me to see, pls
: want to see how they read gm's words wrong
AA: let me check from boyeh
lotuschef: Gm refuted their no need to cultivate many times too
AA: sent to your email
lotuschef: http://www.tblibrary.org/?act=article&id=9778
: read properly what the dialogue is truly about?
Hehe! Yes! in this case the caregiver has more merits to take over the hemp of transmitting dharma from Atisha
so the basic credentials are still needed as well.
Is there Sincerity from the caregiver n does he measure his care-giving with expected returns?
**這時，阿底峽尊者說：At this time, Atisha said: if with body speech mind to receive and transmit guru's matters, no need to seek other methods of cultivation.
「若以身口意來承事師長，不須另求所修。」
阿蘭若者說：a-lan-ruo said: zhong dun ba can take the post of abbot. We are purely cultivators, do not know guru's matters, so we are no match to caregiver's merits that are above pure cultivators.
「仲敦巴可以任持。我們專修者，不知承事師長，專修不如承事，承事的功德，在專修之上耳。」**
lotuschef: knowing the Guru's matters ? means he can cater to all his guru's needs and also execute his orders or dictates
hahaha! what is this care-giver equivalent to?
a clone of his guru. concur?
Is there an english translation?
in TBS, the caregivers are guru's dictators or masters that control n manipulate guru's statements to suit themselves
if you understand chinese, then you will truly realised what these ignorants have done to Guru's statements in this article
: 任 appointing 持in this case is the abbot or someone that is appointed to run the vihara's or adminster the guru's affairs like the guru himself
with the garbage that NN churned, he don't show any evidence that he can be the next abbot of TBS at all
no wonder, GM made you chuck their post at me again! Hehe!
these ppl actually 遮天盖日 block the sky n cover up the sun
AA: not yet, i read the bahasa, atisha passed it to dromtonba
: 😄 lol amitohud
lotuschef: yup. atisha taught him everything in the 10+ years he serve as caregiver
阿底峽的佛法，全部傳給「仲敦巴」。- atisha transmitted all his buddha dharma to dromtonba
: 所以密教：「事師功德，至重，至重。」Thus in tantrayana: serving one's guru has the highest merits。
: BUT all buddha dharma has to be consider in this serving or care-giving
AA: the word "serving" has many meanings
isn't only a physical act alone
that was the first thing that came to mind
AA: it's like do you truly do as your guru wants you to do? or you're just being a servant
lotuschef: u actually does this serving too by helping me share dharma
AA: so taking a part of the article really can't justify their intention
lotuschef: thats why GM made me analyse their statements lol
so its they really don't understand or purposely don't understand. Hahaha!
what you n I are doing in sharing dharma taught by GM is also serving our guru lol
AA: 🙏
lotuschef: just look at how many we made happy or healthy。 Hehe！
if anyone of them serve GM with sincerity, then they won't land themselves in hell or like SM get possessed by spirits all the time
I really laugh when you threw the article at me again after I classified it as garbage
in their positions its easy for them to harm others through spreading falsehood lol
AA: ☺
lotuschef: so i become bad guy to expose them?
AA: you made them restless haha
but it's really good to know this enlightening thing
so people who don't really understand at least will get something to ponder upon
you just offer offer and offer, and it's up to their maturity to take and understand
lotuschef: the truth is so much different from their statements lol
AA: ya!
lotuschef: ya. nowadays gm explains Path & fruit which is simple to hear but hard to understand n put into practice. so I stop writing English translations n also there is the prajnagarbha around so best let them do the work. I best don't poke my fingers into that pie
the prajnagarbha is another Hell hole if not manage properly
I don't understand why I still didn't go register lol. 😜
so in the boyeh, is there an english version to this chapter 47?
AA: not managed properly in my opinion, they somewhat limit the chapters in Bahasa and let Daden sell the physical books with complete chapters instead
: not yet
lotuschef: maybe you do an english one & let me compare the chinese version
AA: it seems they don't pay professional translators for the english version either, from what i know, they just distribute the chinese material to whoever wants to volunteer to translate
so it's really up to the translator's time to finish
ok, let me translate it to english
lotuschef: my dear, propagating buddha dharma really don't need to be paid.
if they do it anyhow then they lack sincerity in sharing dharma
AA: yep
and furthermore it isn't easy to translate GM's books on zen and tantra
lotuschef: I think u should do a pretty good english version after my pointing out the main points lol
AA: requires a certain level of accomplishment hor
: i'll do according to the bahasa and let you compare whether the bahasa is correct
lotuschef: like I said to KK, I give u a chance to practice, and you push it away
as long as they get the serving guru part right n the merits of serving guru right, you won't go wrong
lotuschef: atisha in turn rewarded him with transmitting all he knows
AA: 👌
lotuschef: have fun anyway
AA: i'll do my homework and go to the translation afterwards
: today is my lunar bday 😄
lotuschef: don't let me prejudiced you
AA: 😂
lotuschef: ok. Happy birthday n here I am, putting you to study
AA: ☺🙏 💖
lotuschef: but I am trying to help you look at Depths!
AA: yes, that's why i thank you so much for your time and patience
lotuschef: enlightenment is an indepth into everything lol
the elementary truth
[23:44, 3/27/2019] lotuschef: Reading your translation
Not too bad, but the serving the guru sadly becomes misinterpreted by ignorants n twisted from dharma principles
AA: yes
actually GM stated it in the later part in the form of the way atisha served his guru
so one has to live up in the standard of atisha hor 😄
lotuschef: the thing is respect the guru n abide his teachings somehow also become if you have questions cannot ask else its disrespect to your guru
so don't understand also pretend to understand!
this is the sad truth
AA: yep
they forget the Satsang tradition
Satsang / Satsanga / Satsangam is a word which comes from Sanskrit, meaning "to associate with true people", to be in the company of true people - sitting with a sat guru, or in a group meeting seeking that association.
: so that is the time for asking or clarifying confusions
lotuschef: Come to think of it, NN is really fantastic to concoct the statements saying they were from guru!
but he failed to see his "topmost" ; "highest", most diligent; also loose out to ,......
: all wrong
AA: lol improper wordings
: leading to problems
lotuschef: they forget dharma principles
: so how can NN ever be enlightened?
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In Chapter 47 of GM's book 231, GM Lu reminiscing fondly upon Arya Atisha.
Of note is the Importance of Serving One's Guru, which sadly became some ignorants weapons to dictate and enforce to cause Suffering to others!
Back in August 2009, on my very first visit to Seattle Temple, I was subject to some bullying from GM's "topmost" attendant or caregiver!
Hehe! I actually registered to meet GM Lu in person on behalf of a fellow student due to arrive at 10am. However, at 2pm he still didn't show up, so I took the "Wen-shi" paper and filled it with a drawing - visions of a practice which appeared when I was cultivating and chanting Guru's mantra.(I shared this visualisation in my maiden dharma speech in Seattle on 7 Nov 2009).
Well, my wenshi-paper was vetted and Mr. Care-giver shouted at me to write details explaining my drawings.
In the end, I wrote "sighted during cultivation" (In Chinese - because I was shouted at and questioned as to whether I know Chinese or not) .
When my turn came to enter GM Lu's work room, I knelt in front of GM Lu and GM Lu waved Mr Care-giver away and out of the room.
But Mr Care-giver didn't obey and hovered at the door.
I spoke softly and at a low voice explaining my visions drawn out on the wenshi paper.
GM Lu said I can cultivate this practice and be diligent.
In later years, I found out that Mr Care-giver is especially Jealous of those that received Secret Transmission of Tantric Dharma from GM Lu!
Well?
If you read Chapter 47, Atisha also serve his guru Serlingpa for 12 years and received all his guru's knowhow through these 12 years of servitude.
Same with Dromtonba that served Atisha for more than 10 years, he also received all his guru's knowhow throughout his servitude.
NOW! Lets really be Wise and look at this Servitude.
Is forcing unpleasantness upon one's guru considered as Servitude?
How many forced GM Lu to affirmed them as Enlightened?
GM Lu himself revealed that HK VM Lian Han is one of them!
Reading from GM Lu's book, I am sure you can find others too!
During my stay in Seattle on my first visit, I also saw how many pursued GM Lu relentlessly to affirm their self perceived enlightenment!
Well, its a Jungle with lots of ferocious "animals" hounding GM Lu and I don't see any Sincere Care-givers or Servants that are closest to GM Lu.
So telling the Truth is just not acceptable to these self proclaimed care-givers or servants!
GM Lu's words :-
[不須另求所修 no need to seek other methods of cultivation.]
Do bear in mind that GM Lu said: everything one does is Cultivation!
So serving one's guru with Body Speech Mind (the 3 Tantra), one is also cultivating!
And with Pure Body speech mind, One is able to achieve Yoga!
Of course if you cultivate with Boddhicitta you can become a Buddha, else you dig your path to Hell.
In my humble opinion, Servitude has to be accompanied by utmost sincerity and diligence.
If you can achieved this, there really is no need for jealousy and evil acts to eliminate your perceived "opponents" to have sole proprietary to your Guru's knowhow!
Remember that Only an Authentic Buddha can sit on TBS' dharma throne!
If you read [事师] as manipulating your guru to your whims and fancies to enhance benefits for self and self only, you are actually [弑师] - killing or annihilating your guru's existent.
Do read: [Layperson measures Buddha] from this blogspot.
The best Servant is one that is Simple and straight forward and do not attempt to measure his master/guru with his own sentient mind!
Wake up, please!
With Metta
Om Guru Lian Sheng Siddhi Hom
Lama Lotuschef
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