帶業往生與消業往生 Bring Karma to or Eliminate Karma before Rebirth

Translated to English by Lotuschef 

It is best that you try and translate your own, a version that you can truly comprehend. :)

Om Guru Lian Sheng Siddhi Hom

Lama Lotuschef

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This article is about the Controversy of [Bring Karma to or Eliminate Karma before Rebirth]. Great Battles ensued - these are anathema to Buddha's teachings! :) 

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記得很久以前。
有二派的和尚，彼此打筆戰，炮聲隆隆，彼此引經據典或實際經驗。
一派說：One sector or group said:
西方極樂世界，只要臨終念佛，一心不亂，即可往生佛國。

The Western Paradise, only need to chant Buddha title before demise, with a steadfast and unmovable heart, then can be Rebirth into Pureland.

另一派說：Another sector said:
不行。業障未消，到了西方淨土，淨土被污染，還是淨土嗎？
Not possible. Karma/sins not eliminated, reach Western Paradise, will pollute Pureland, then still have Pureland anymore?

一派說：One sector said:
西方極樂世界，屬易行道，若要消業往生，還算易行道嗎？

Western Paradise, belongs to Easy Travel Path, if need to eliminate karma, then still can consider Easy travel path?

另一派說：Another sector said:
佛法平等，沒有所謂的易行道、難行道。眾生一看有易行道，誰還修難行道？

Buddha Dharma is Equal, there isn't what is termed as Easy or Difficult travel path. Sentient Beings once sighted Easy Travel Path, who will still cultivate the Difficult travel path?

<<**A good example of this statement is in the following article:-

[报名就能[得道］Register Then Can [Get Path]!] >>

一派說：One sector said:
阿彌陀佛最慈悲，故有念佛法門。

Amitabha Buddha is the most compassionate & kind, thats why have Chant Buddha Dharma Door.

另一派說：Another sector said:
難道其他的佛，就不慈悲嗎？
That means the other Buddhas are not compassionate and kind?

一派說：One sector said:
淨土宗，不用消業，念佛就是消業，淨心十念，決定往生。

Pureland school, do not need to eliminate karma, chant Buddha already eliminate karma, Pure Heart Ten Chant, sure rebirth to pureland.

另一派說：Another sector said:
一定要：Must
先修資糧道。First cultivate resource path.
再修加行道。Then Preliminaries path.
直到見道。Straight to Sight Path.
續加修道。Continue to add Cultivate Path.
最後才是究竟道。Finally then is Resultant Path.
這是修行的次第，沒有一步登天的。
This is Cultivation's steps, cannot One step reach Heaven.

一派說：One sector said:
歷史上，很多他宗的祖師，最後都回歸淨土宗，因為淨土宗可以帶業往生。

Historically, many Patriarchs of other schools, finally return to Pureland school, because Pureland school can bring karma to Rebirth.

另一派說：Another sector said:
到淨土佛國那麼容易，學佛有何價值可言？到淨土，如同上菜市場那麼容易，還要什麼佛學院，念佛就好？

So easy to reach Pureland Buddha Country, what value is to to speak of in studying Buddha's teachings? Reach Pureland, similar to the ease of going to Vegetable market, still have need Buddha's study school, just chant Buddha is good enough?

一派說：One sector said:
到了佛國，業障自消。

Upon arrival in Buddha Country, karma automatically self eliminates.

另一派說：Another sector said:
若業障會自消，那還要什麼佛法？
If karma can self eliminates, then still need what Buddha Dharma?

總之：
雙方互不相讓，爭來爭去，主旨還是帶業往生、消業往生。

In summary, both parties won't give in, argue here and there, main topic is still [Bring Karma to or Eliminate Karma before Rebirth].

有人問我：「到底是帶業往生對，還是消業往生對？」

Someone asked me: Actually which is correct?

我答：「二者皆對！」

I answered: Both are right!

人問：「帶業、消業，二者不同，如何二者皆對？」

People asked: Bring karma, eliminate karma, these two are different, how can both be right?

我答：「業障歸業障，往生歸往生。」
I answered: Karma returns/belongs to karma, rebirth returns to rebirth.

人問：「怎麼說？」

People asked: How to explain?

我答：「氣歸氣，土歸土。」
I answered: Qi returns to Qi, Earth returns to Earth.

人問：「那還不是消業？」

People asked: Isn't that eliminate karma?

我答：「業障如同人的影子，是業隨身也，人身若不在，還有影子嗎？」

I answered: Karma is similar to people's shadow, is Karma follows body, when one is not present, still have shadow anymore?

人問：「不是唯有業隨身嗎？」

People asked: Isn't it said that Only karma follows body?

我答：「如果沒有人，何有業？」

I answered: [If there is not people/person, where have karma?

（這句話，請人三思，有玄機在）

This statement please ponder deeply, secret key lies within. 

「玄機重重，重重玄機」

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Now refer to GM Lu's speech of why he decided to grace LA with Heruka event?Diligence of the Hosts, the Chapter's chief and spouse!

Cultivation's Diligence is something that One cannot never Faked by any man-made or artificial means! 

Negative feelings or perception of being slighted, set-aside, ignored, and the associated results of jealousy, hatred, anger, aversion, these then churn out Actions - revenge, retaliation, hostility, violence, war cry, battles, kill, exterminate, .......

Hahaha! Apply these to the Purple Lotus Saga!

A student of GM Lu, The Living Buddha Lian Sheng, should not make Root Guru unhappy.

A show of force or collective strength against One's Root Guru is breaching Samaya!

Have you seen Lotuschef hurting Root Guru in anyway? 

Yes! No matter who attempts to hurt you, draw upon Root Guru and Diamond Sutra, nullified ALL.

Is there any hurt or harm sent your way by your Root Guru?

If not, then all from others can't reach and harm you at all, as long as Root Guru is steadfastly in your Heart, because you have unshakable trust & faith in your own Root Guru!

So who sits in your heart?

Root Guru or a Mara of your own Fabrication?

GM Lu also gave Rescue paths - Refuge Abhiseka 皈依 then Repentance Dharma 忏悔法 & Return to Pure Dharma还净法. 

Hahaha!

Wake up!

You left your Root Guru and not your Root Guru left you!

With metta

Om Guru Lian Sheng Siddhi Hom

Lama Lotuschef